how do we spark that enthusiasm and excitement for science? >> you got the cart in front of the horse. the problem with the country is not that kids aren't interested in science. the problem with the country is that we have scientifically illiterate adults. when you have adults in charge of things who yield resources and money and opportunity and they don't know how to think about that problem, the kids are not the problem. they are born curious about the natural world. you know spending time with any aged child. they are poking things. they are taking things apart. what's that? what's this? >> dropping everything to see how it works. >> parents say. you're going to break it stop. we spend first two years teaching them how to walk and talk and then the rest of their life telling them to sit down and shut up. all of those things they do that might kill them are exploring their environment. so you have to give them light. don't let them give themselves but give them latitude. you don't need to create a special program to entice people. the very